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The Social Engineer's Guide to Women
  • m0rph
    Posts: 332
    --==::The Social Engineer's Guide to Women::==--

    --==::Background::==--

    For the last 3 or 4 months, I've really taken a break from the technical side of hacking to find out about myself. Turns out I am really good at picking up women. I never thought of myself as a ladies man before, I've always thought of myself as a pretty shy guy, but this time I've had to myself really opened up my eyes as to how I can mix what I love to do, with real life.

    Random info:
    Women can be intimidating to all of us, even to other women. Going off of the example of American women, they deeply fear wearing anything that another women is wearing, even more so if the other woman is attractive. Vulnerability, check!

    --==::The Target::==--

    This scenario has never happened to me personally, but I've seen this mysterious, unexplainable, nonsense unravel right in front of me. Melissa (made up character for our story), is 23 years old, brown hair, brown eyes, and is about 170 cm tall, and approximately 56kg. So she has quite the lovely figure, yeah? So Melissa has just gone to a Starbucks for a nice cappuccino with her two friends. They decide to sit outside, in hopes of getting some looks from some burly looking hunks.

    Of course, what macho man is going to go out for coffee with his bros, right? So that's where someone like...oh, I don't know, someone like us comes into play. It doesn't take any fancy words, or flowers, or anything trivial like proclaiming your love to your new found princess, Melissa. Often women will go out in three's (if that makes sense). Three's as in three of them, or three women to be more blunt. Why? One, three is an odd number and goes against being by yourself. Two, it won't give them the appearance of just having a conversation between two of them. And 3, most importantly...will leave one just kinda chilling, and listening to the conversation. Yeah she might contribute every couple of minutes or so, but this is your target.

    --==::The Approach::==--

    So here are three basic rules for your approach:

    [list]
    [*] NEVER. EVER. approach a woman, or group of women from behind. Put yourself in their shoes for this one.[/*:m]
    [*] If a woman glances at you, and does a double take, that's an invitation to talk to her at some point, preferably before she leaves.[/*:m]
    [*] Keep conversations casual for first meetings, unless of course you're at a bar, or club, or any place where women expect anything but a casual conversation.[/*:m][/list:u]

    So now we have some guidelines for our approach. Well what will we talk about when we do make an approach? Will they reject us wanting to sit with them? What if X happens, or Y????? What if they don't LIKE US!!!!!!!!?????? ... stop. Take a couple of deep breaths.

    From my experience living in Japan (of course, the Japanese in general are infinitely more polite than Americans), it does not matter how great of a conversation they are having (unless of course, they are just two of them, and one just experienced a great loss, like death), they will generally, and even more so if you come off suave enough, will stop whatever they were talking about and will psychologically allow themselves to allow you to interrupt them. So take that inkling little bit of fear of rejection out of your mind. When you see them, you have to act quick, but you also have to keep your composure and remain in logical thought. In other words, slow your roll.

    So you, our coffee-shop hero, approach Melissa and her two friends, and ask with a little bit of finesse, "Excuse me, I am so sorry to interrupt, but is this seat taken?" Now, obviously you have to play into the involvement they have with each other in their conversation. It wouldn't be very logical to interrupt them in the middle of a very active conversation, and would make you look like a very rude person. Of course, this isn't always true, as a matter of fact, some women like to be interrupted. It truly depends on the woman, but in this case, you interrupt them at a valley (low point) in their conversation.

    Now, if you walked up to them with a smile, with great posture, and dressed like you are about to drink at a coffee shop, there's a pretty good chance you will be invited into the conversation. If you walk up to them with a half-ass "I pity myself" look, dressed like Harry Potter from Harry Potter (lol), you will probably get a disgusted look, and a remark of something along the lines of, "We're busy." or, "Yes, it is taken."

    --==::The Infiltration::==--

    Now, if immediately after you've asked them in your dashing coffee drinking attire, they all start giggling, you've pretty much already sat down at the table with them. To cut the over explained bullshit, if they have a positive reaction to your approach, you're in, if it's negative, continue to another coffee shop, because every other available woman at that coffee shop just saw you fail, and therefor have labeled you as the non-Alpha male (there are exceptions to this as with any other situation of course).

    So you've been invited to the conversation...now you have to adapt, and you have to adapt rather quickly I must say for two reasons:

    [list]
    [*] You will have something (even if it's a very small amount it doesn't matter), to contribute to the current topic.[/*:m]
    [*] You will give the appearance of being quick whitted. [/*:m][/list:u]
    --==::Adapting to the Situation::==--

    Have you ever caught yourself saying something very generic about some random topic to a seeming "expert" in that particular field, and come off looking like another seeming "expert" in the same field of discussion? Same principle here. Melissa and her friends are talking about computer troubles. FUCKING STOP RIGHT HERE. Repeat after me..."I do not know anything about computers." Say it again. Now say it louder. If you've disturbed a neighbor, or a roommate from saying this phrase so loud, you get 1000 cool points.

    So again, Melissa is having computer troubles, and is talking about it with her friends. Do not interrupt, listen to how they respond to computer issues. Are they supportive of Melissa? Are they unsupportive of Melissa? Unsupportive opens avenues to possible new women, supportive obviously does not in most cases, but as always there are exceptions.

    --==::Winning Over the Target::==--

    Now obviously being a hacker (of some sort), you will have a couple of hook-ups with some other computer intelligent singularities.

    You: "I am so sorry to hear about that!" (Melissa's computer troubles)
    Melissa: "Yes, I've done everything I could think of to fix it!" :( ...... :)
    You: "You know...I know a guy who's pretty good with computers, he might be able to help you out." <--- You become her coffee-shop hero here, if you didn't know this already
    Melissa: "Oh my gosh, that would be awesome!"

    --==::Information Gathering::==--

    From this point, is where all of them start drawing interest into who you are, where you came from, things like that. Wouldn't you want to know the name of your personal hero?

    Of course, these questions will be subtly brought up after the current topic dies out. From here you just have to be interesting, and somewhat contributive to the conversation. Not so much that you're overbearing, and not so little that you lose your cool-factor and become shy.

    Now if you continue to be such a suave master of disaster, you will most likely be able to get Melissa's number.

    Remember a couple of things though:

    [list]
    [*] Do not solely focus on the Melissa of your scenario[/*:m]
    [*] You will need her friends' psychological approval before Melissa will give you hers[/*:m]
    [*] DO NOT EVER GIVE OFF NEGATIVE ENERGY, unless if to sympathize, or proclaim a minor misfortune of your own. [/*:m][/list:u]
    So great, we've approached Melissa, we've infiltrated her conversation with her friends, and we've won they're approval. Now what?

    --==::Obtain Mission Information & Leave::==--

    Now it's time to seal the deal and leave.

    Any abrupt closure will do for this scenario. For those who rarely approach women, a good, "I am so sorry, I have to get going to do X." Stand up, give the appearance you were about to turn, and say, "Oh yeah, here is my number." Write it on a napkin or something, and finish with a cowboy-like exit. You know, throw your jacket over your shoulder, and give the appearance that you're walking away into the sunset....or the parking lot, really doesn't matter. Throwing a jacket over your shoulder as you leave gives off the Billy Bad-ass impression. Most importantly here, though, is the angle at which you leave them. Try to get as close to leaving at 180 degress as you can. As this is a quick and direct route out of the situation, and more importantly so they have to watch you walk away until you're completely gone(leaving your John Wayne persona sitting in their minds that much longer).

    So why would you give your number in this scenario, and not ask for hers? This leaves her to seek you as an avenue of help once again for her computer troubles, once again making you the hero. This also makes her have to initiate contact with you, and most importantly, gives her and her friends the impression that yes, you are available, but they are not your only option (survival of the quickest to call, yeah?).

    So what important, social engineering topics have we learned from picking up Melissa?

    --==::Review::==--

    [list]
    [*] Blend in with others in your target's area. i.e. If it's a corporate business, dress in a three-piece suit. (dress right for the occasion)[/*:m]
    [*] Assess what kind of situation you're in before you go further. (see the approach)[/*:m]
    [*] No matter what the situation, remain calm. (Resisting fear of rejection)[/*:m]
    [*] Infiltrate your target's area. (initiating the conversation is half the battle)[/*:m]
    [*] Win over your target's approval. (offering an avenue of help for Melissa's computer problems)[/*:m]
    [*] Get the information you need. (Melissa's phone number)[/*:m]
    [*] Leave in a nonchalant manner. (Throwing of the jacket over your shoulder/path taken out)[/*:m][/list:u]

    To close on this situation with Melissa, she most likely would give you a call to see how you're doing, and to ask for your computer genius friend's number (or in a perfect world for him to come over with you so you two can chat). If you were wanting to develop anything from that, you would have to put in the work for it. Which means asking her out. All of the doorways have been opened for you in this scenario, but ultimately..."You're the one that has to walk through it."

    Most importantly though, always remember, the conversation can be manipulated, and so can people.
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  • Sh3llc0d3
    Posts: 1,910
    "Who dares wins" indeed. Always the way with women.. Thorough paper :)
  • Xin
    Posts: 3,251
    Interesting paper not sure the coffee shop situation transfers to where I am
    Xin
  • I have to say, American women, are a bit different... Me personally I don't care to go after women most of the time; not looking for random sex lol. Now where I am from, sex is a big part of the lifestyle here... Legal prostitution will do that to an area... So most women around here, won't buy the whole hero thing, and most would laugh at the whole john wayne into the sunset scenario... Granted it will work, but around here, it's better that you know how to fix things, rather then your friend. Otherwise, it's your friend that is gonna get laid and not you lol. I know first hand, being "the guy" has gotten me hit on by both men and women, gotten me high, gotten me drunk, and much more lol.
    All in all though, I have to say, great read. Did kind of make me think of the many guys I have watched fail and get laughed out the door around my area, but still the same concept of those who get the girl lol. Around here, it's about confidence, money, and how much you can show off... For the women worth holding onto though; neither that or this would work...
    "Mind, body, heart, and soul; when all work as one, this is control." - myself
  • M0rph, my girlfriend loved the read and and I did too ! :-) 

    And the superhero analogy was awesome!

    "There are two types of women, goddesses and doormats. - Pablo Picasso