wasn't quite sure where i should post this. i was looking through my NMAP mailing list replies when i saw that Fyodor is welcoming everyone to DEFCON again for this years big gathering in Vegas. i was just wondering if any of you have ever been to one/are going this year? i personally have no desire to go because i feel that it is nothing more than a big party and the "hacking" part of it is pushed into the background. hell, i have even heard porn stars and celibrities attend (porn stars aren't a bad thing, mind you)! i would just feel so out of place in that kind of "frat party" environment. i would be more into the Blackhat Briefings or SEC-CON, where the whole purpose of being there is to be submerged in the latest security info out there. i guess i just feel DEFCON has become a joke. JMO