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Non-Medical, i cant study anymore
  • gemini
    Posts: 7
    bro's, if u have ever visited India, then u may know abut the unnecessary Struggle done here to be something in life....
    what i want to say is
    i m just 17
    and studding in +1 class, subject i have to take to be a good cyber security man is Non-Medical
    where i have to study Chemistry, Physics, Maths....
    i understand the value of Maths & lil Physics, but i fully denies Studding Chemistry......
    why i should study hard Chemistry if it is not in my Line for my life
    i m not getting time to sit on computer.........
    every1 says that u have to do this if u want to become something
    but it is actually a Time-Waste
    i know if i will sit at Home on Internet, i can be a Good and Best-est Hacker, but i cant do that Because This Is India
    we are not Dam Rich .... that i should come to Usa or some-other place for completion of my studies to become a good hacker for security purpose.......
    i am fully confused what to do?
    bro i m not a noob in Hacking
    i know what hacking is and what it is not
    i know We don't Get every thing just by Clicking & Bingo u got a Password
    its not like that,
    i have learned C language & Backtrack(some what) in my Holidays but now i don't have time to learn Further languages
    How i will survive in this type of unfair World << seriously
    Some of My friend told that there are many hacking clubs which makes a child goes in specific computer sector & if child is good & have more interest he/she may get a scholarship..
    ________________
    i want to know if there is any specific Club/Organization for my line
    please help me to find plz
    :( :(
    i shall be very thankful to u :)
  • Sh3llc0d3
    Posts: 1,910
    Well i'm not from india so I doubt i'll be much help. I'm taking it that you would want to be a hacker as in a Pentetration Tester - a security professional, there is a difference. Maths would help, physics would help too, but you are outright insane if you think that chemistry is a harder subject than Maths (we may be thinking about different levels of education though). Physics and chemistry are both about the same (difficulty wise). I'll point out now a lot of computer science course I know of want maths students.

    I will give you this information for free, those three subjects are well worth having. They demonstrate problem solving abilities and analytical thinking. Something I learnt very recently is that the end justifies the means. Put up with the crap so you can then choose the awesome courses afterwards. You clearly know about hacking (breadly speaking), nothing comes instantly, you know that.

    Education is not a time-waste I can assure you. I left college after studying law, chemistry and psychology. I worked in security for a couple of years then I went back to college last year to study IT, I achived high marks now i'm heading for a degree in ethical hacking in a couple of weeks. The point isn't to blow smoke up my windpipe - I wouldn't have been able to fund the good certifications outside of a college to get a job in infosec. So i can tell you it's well worth studying hard (well, studying at least).

    I'd be really impressed seeing some of your C coding if you learned it over the summer holidays. That's a lot to fit in...

    Summary:
    You'd rather be sat in an office somewhere with a company car (obviously the car's not in the office with you), earning tens of thousands a year (GBP) than sat on your brains reading others blogs and dreaming about how you're going to be the next big superstar hacker like (insert-kevin-mitnick-wannabe-name-here).
  • gemini
    Posts: 7


    They demonstrate problem solving abilities and analytical thinking.


    i do agree with that, by that ability can be gained through solving program's too(programing languages).


    Education is not a time-waste I can assure you.


    it is, why a sportsman will ever think of studing those three subjects.

    I wouldn't have been able to fund the good certifications outside of a college to get a job in infosec.


    thats True, without it we cannot get good job, this is what i want to deduct from it... there are many professional's in many specific area (but dont have Certificates, so they dont hav good job), Why? Why this World wants Certificate, rather then checking their knowledge.

    So i can tell you it's well worth studying hard (well, studying at least).


    yeah if we will go in specific subjects

    I'd be really impressed seeing some of your C coding if you learned it over the summer holidays. That's a lot to fit in...


    the program's i made was all in my pen-drive, which my mad brother formatted to get Duke Nuken (game).
    i am planing to make those all Again in my winter Holidays or to learn some other languages
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    Bro i want to know is there is any Group Like there are for Sports Learner's

    thanx fr ur reply and also Giving me time to my Never-Ending discussion. :)
  • Sh3llc0d3
    Posts: 1,910
    Yes, they can be gained through other avenues, but a lot of employers prefer having it written on a certificate what you can or cannot do instead of you telling them you can do xyz.

    ...But the chances of you making decent money from being a sportsman is very slim. Play a ball sport - you hit a ball one way, the wind takes it another way, you need to know how to compensate. Thats physics.

    You can't change how it is. People want qualifications. You can get work via experience, but going down that route may mean you end up gaining experience further down the chain in a job you don't like.

    For example: say you want to be a network administrator, you first have to get a job a network tech to get experience, before that (because you don't have a qualification or experience) you may need to get experience helping the techies out. Failing that they may need someone to make tea :P.

    I'm not sure what groups your talking about, there may be conferences around your area where hackers/security professionals meet up. That would be something for you to look up.
  • Xin
    Posts: 3,251
    Same as sh3llc0de i don't know much about Indian education. But if you want to get a good career in IT you have to stick at your education. They will value your education more than some 'hacking club' you speak of. Also if they see you drop out it shows lack of determination. Start studying for entry level certs that will give you a good step on the ladder and get an entry level part time job.
    Xin
  • Flashlight
    Posts: 173
    You need to learn chem to fully understand physics and vice~versa. Also chem is pretty much just how things react to others what properties they have and sometimes blowing S**T up.
  • Sh3llc0d3
    Posts: 1,910
    Chemistry gets more fun the higher level you do it. When you do it at lower education you make shit foam up in a conical flask, which isn't fun. When you get higher you do exothermic reactions and analytical chemistry... and plenty more. The problem with chemistry is the funner the stuff you do is in class, the more work you have to do to understand it.
  • gemini
    Posts: 7
    said:


    Yes, they can be gained through other avenues, but a lot of employers prefer having it written on a certificate what you can or cannot do instead of you telling them you can do xyz.

    ...But the chances of you making decent money from being a sportsman is very slim. Play a ball sport - you hit a ball one way, the wind takes it another way, you need to know how to compensate. Thats physics.

    You can't change how it is. People want qualifications. You can get work via experience, but going down that route may mean you end up gaining experience further down the chain in a job you don't like.

    For example: say you want to be a network administrator, you first have to get a job a network tech to get experience, before that (because you don't have a qualification or experience) you may need to get experience helping the techies out. Failing that they may need someone to make tea :P.

    I'm not sure what groups your talking about, there may be conferences around your area where hackers/security professionals meet up. That would be something for you to look up.



    said:


    Same as sh3llc0de i don't know much about Indian education. But if you want to get a good career in IT you have to stick at your education. They will value your education more than some 'hacking club' you speak of. Also if they see you drop out it shows lack of determination. Start studying for entry level certs that will give you a good step on the ladder and get an entry level part time job.



    said:


    You need to learn chem to fully understand physics and vice~versa. Also chem is pretty much just how things react to others what properties they have and sometimes blowing S**T up.



    ok guys Thanx for ur expensive contribution :), & from now i will study and will Crack IIT ...lol
  • m0rph
    Posts: 332
    Sometimes, if you're lucky, the company will pay for you to take classes, and for certifications. i.e. I took a telecommunications class and a networking class paid for by the company I work for, and they paid for my Security+ cert.

    Doing really well at a technical interview helps, as does asking what you would like from them :) *cough* classes and certs *cough*

    As for working overseas, I was recommended for it out of pure luck, so I really don't have any advice for you in that area :(
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