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  • Xin
    Posts: 3,251
    The whole raging at tools and pentest OS's is getting annoying, but think of it this way,

    Would you rather build a car from scratch manually cutting the parts using skilled labour, or have it done using machines in 1/8th of the time.


    In real life an employer isnt going to want you to do it the longer '31337' way when you can do it much quicker with tools.

    And to be honest

    i Dont see theres much more skill involved in

    wget exploit
    gcc exploit.c
    ./a.out


    Than just using metasploit to execute it?


    Somethings are better done manually, but somethings are better done with tools you cant classify them all in the same boat
    Xin
  • m0rph
    Posts: 332
    This is how I think about it...when you're first learning you should try your best to do everything as elongated as possible, then once you understand what they do and how they work, there's really no need to ever do it the long way again, unless ofc if you have a specific task needing to be done (return addresses, anyone?).
    while( !(succeed = try() ) );
  • Sh3llc0d3
    Posts: 1,910
    Could not have put it better myself :)
  • Corrosion
    Posts: 121
    The way I see it as as you've said Xinapse besides also think of it this way...

    You have a bike, you enjoy it but there is a faster new thing called a motocycle but you decide that its more "31337" as they say to "upgrade" to it, so you stay with your good'ol bike and get to your destination much slower than you would have otherwise...

    In other words I'm saying......... get out of the stone age!
    It's like saying do you want to make your own hammer or have a factory make the hammer? uhhhhhhhhhh.. I'll take the pre-made one thanks...

    I'm not saying give up on the manual way, for example I'd much rather compile from source than to just apt-get install myshit
    but why bitch about something thats made to make your life easier?
  • chroniccommand
    Posts: 1,389
    said:


    The way I see it as as you've said Xinapse besides also think of it this way...

    You have a bike, you enjoy it but there is a faster new thing called a motocycle but you decide that its more "31337" as they say to "upgrade" to it, so you stay with your good'ol bike and get to your destination much slower than you would have otherwise...

    In other words I'm saying......... get out of the stone age!
    It's like saying do you want to make your own hammer or have a factory make the hammer? uhhhhhhhhhh.. I'll take the pre-made one thanks...

    I'm not saying give up on the manual way, for example I'd much rather compile from source than to just apt-get install myshit
    but why bitch about something thats made to make your life easier?


    Agreeing with this. Nice analagy lol


    I'm not saying using metasploit or any other tool is skiddy. I'm saying most people who use these tools don't even know how they work. The moment it becomes skiddy is when somebody just blindly points msf towards a target and types exploit.
  • Sh3llc0d3
    Posts: 1,910
    said:


    I'm not saying using metasploit or any other tool is skiddy. I'm saying most people who use these tools don't even know how they work. The moment it becomes skiddy is when somebody just blindly points msf towards a target and types exploit.



    You have previously :P The problem is that's how metasploit works.

    There are people who do it and understand it and there's everyone else. Whoever is reading this that doesn't understand that is part of the latter group.
  • Xin
    Posts: 3,251
    said:


    said:


    I'm not saying using metasploit or any other tool is skiddy. I'm saying most people who use these tools don't even know how they work. The moment it becomes skiddy is when somebody just blindly points msf towards a target and types exploit.



    You have previously :P The problem is that's how metasploit works.

    There are people who do it and understand it and there's everyone else. Whoever is reading this that doesn't understand that is part of the latter group.


    Dont post again, have a look at your post count ;)

    Posts: 1,337
    Xin
  • Sh3llc0d3
    Posts: 1,910
    -_- I'm too cool to be 1337 :P ...I had to delete an old crap post just for this :P
  • chroniccommand
    Posts: 1,389
    said:


    -_- I'm too cool to be 1337 :P ...I had to delete an old crap post just for this :P



    Lawl. I would just go into the ACP and change my posts to 1337 anyway ;P
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